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Matthew David Segall's avatar

Looking forward to listening to these. Are these videos also on YouTube, by chance? I ask because I could grab a transcript from there (it is much faster for me to read than listen to the videos, and I tend to digest the written word better than oral presentations).

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Jeff Falzone's avatar

I'm excited to hear another perspective on this subject. I'm aware that Steiner specifically makes clear why only a very small group of people can understand what he means in 174b-2 when he says that for the next 1500 years only white skinned people can integrate with the Christ in the way necessary if humanity is to make it successfully into the 6th epoch.

That said, before we simply agree with a flat statement that none of us can understand what that means, we might also open the space to think about that very claim.

I'm very open to many reasons why context matters. But I'm hoping to hear people talk about the reasons why, perhaps, Steiner is over-stating the case that only people from a very specific region and time can understand this massive difference between white-skinned people and all non-white peoples.

My hope is that conversations can take place that at least allow for the possiblity that Steiner is making some errors in reasoning when he makes such claims.

If he isn't capable of making such errors, I guess we just assume that we simply have no way of knowing what it means that non-white people must wait till around 3500 before they can receive the gift of The Christ.

I wonder if we have evidence that the small group of white Germans that he was speaking to were able to grasp it?

What would that kind of evidence look like?

For instance, can we find any evidence that Scaligero's work on race and blood proves that he understood Steiner fairly well. Since he was not part of the region or exact time as those listening to that lecture, should we take any of Scaligero's accuracy as a sign that he was reaching very similar spiritual understandings completely independent of Steiner?

Full disclosure: I think Scaligero's work reflects major cognitive blind-spots and presuppositins that don't hold up, many of the same ones that I see Steiner reproducing.

That said, more than anything, it'll be such a relief to find an Anthroposophical space in which we can, before anything else, see if we agree with Steiner's presuppositions regarding who can and can't understand his words.

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